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Porous boundaries, engineered arguments. If Mandalas have a theoritcal maximum size (Thailand, Texas), how does that drape onto a country the size of USA or China? (Maybe it fits better in Europe?). Contrasting Europe vs USA again, European countries have cultural languages and traditions as a base substrate. The US states, have not so much of a Mandala substrate but much more of a mechanists structure without strong statewide cultures.

Thanks for sharing this framework. Looking forward to seeing you flesh it out.

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The idea of a machine that reaches out into the void is a good clarification on the concept of an antimeme as I defined in a previous comment. What I was thinking of as an antimeme is something machine-like that gets internalized because it is hostile to being expressed in the space of mandala politics.

One thing I'm skeptical of is to the idea of the new machine being something porous. This sounds almost as nonsensical to me as an idea of a life-form that doesn't have a clearly defined inside and outside. All life-forms are made up of an inside and an outside, and keeping the inside alive while using and killing the outside. I feel that having this inside-outside distinction is a prerequisite to being something that can know and store information, something on the level of entropy.

Is there any sort of physical metaphor for a machine without an inside or an outside, like some sort of intelligent goo? And if not a physical metaphor, then at least a mathematical one? Will there be some sort of Maxwell's demon that will keep track of what is inside and outside, without having to actually create a boundary?

A swarm of bees is the most intelligent thing (or so people like to meme) that still has some sort of respect/care for each constituent member as some sort of special snowflake, and yet I still think that an elephant is more of an impressive machine than a swarm of bees. And once you're in the inside of an elephant, you are not an individual, and not a thing that is cared for.

One factor in all this mandala politics that's not mentioned here is the role of algorithmically curated information. One human being navigating an algorithmically curated information space might feel the illusion of navigating a random forest, but algorithmically generated randomness does not contain as much information as actual randomness. Many human beings navigating the same algorithmically curated information space (going on the same roller coaster ride, at once) does not contain as much information as many human beings individually navigating a forest. If my intuition is right, this would lead to a collapse of useful information/knowledge that a political machine can extract, which is why the political machine is losing to the political mandala, because everyone's experiences are becoming more similar, and less diverse.

We can approximate that one human being can pay attention and follow the curated information of one person at a time. (On the order of magnitude. Maybe one person can pay attention to, and make coherent sense of, the curated information of 10 people over the course of their lifetime. Maybe someone like you can make sense of the curated information of 100 people.) If 40 people read and digested your post, then does that mean that 40 people don't get the chance to have anyone hear and listen to their thoughts at all? What about those posts, podcasts, videos with 10,000 views? Does that mean that 10,000 people didn't get to have their voices heard?

This new media is different from the old media because the difference is, everyone is on the new media, all the time. Maybe a person used to have 5 friends they cared about, and one New York Times subscription that they read for 10 minutes a day. Now, maybe a digital native is browsing the new media for hours a day - and maybe they have 5 friends - but maybe they are all browsing the same media, which is providing all of them with the same roller coaster experience.

It's the danger of monoculture, the danger of high authoritarianism, the danger of centralized planning - except it's all disguised because it's algorithmically generated randomness, not actual randomness, and it's the same movie being played for all of us, all the time.

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